Always on the Right Side of the Issues

November 13, 2008

Prop. 8. From your neighborhood mormon :)

Filed under: Uncategorized — Tags: , — choosetheright @ 3:43 am

Okay so I’ve been brewing this post in my mind for a while now.  And I have so much to say, but it’s all been said.   This blog seems to say it best, and has lots of good facts I don’t feel like quoting right now. I am very glad that Prop. 8 passed in California.  I am glad 102 passed here in Arizona.  And I am glad it also passed in Florida.  I am glad these marriage ammendments passed, not because I’m a hate mongering religious zealot.  I am glad it passed so that ours laws will not be made by judges.  I am glad it passed, because to me two women or two men cannot ever have the same type of marriage as my husband and I.  As far as a human issue, I believe humans should be able to will their property to whoever they want (as far as I know that’s already allowed.).  Humans should be able to have whoever they want at their deathbed, in hospitals, whatever.  Humans should be able to put whoever they want on their insurance.  All humans deserve these rights.  This is a human issue, not a gay issue.  I’m glad it passed because I don’t want to raise my daughter in a world where she goes to school and reads books about Tommy and his two dads.  I don’t want her growing up thinking this lifestyle is embraced.  But moreover I don’t want to be criticized for teaching her in our home our values, people saying we are teaching hate, or close-mindedness.

And truthfully I do not understand why the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints has been so singled out.  Many churches worked together to pass these ammendments.  And I don’t believe there is hate on both sides.  Today in CT a judge ruled gay marriage was legal.  I didn’t see any protesters there with “GO TO HELL GAYS” signs. 

We didn’t steal anyone’s rights.  We are just trying to protect ours.  Hopefully the hate and violence can subside and love and acceptance can reign on both sides.


October 28, 2008

More on Gay Marriage

Filed under: Uncategorized — Tags: , , , , — choosetheright @ 6:55 pm

This article was recently published in the Deseret News.  I have cut out some parts, because it is pretty long, but there was so much said so well I just had to leave it.  I added some emphasis for those of you who just want the meat.

Disagree but don’t be unkind
By Orson Scott Card
Published: Thursday, Oct. 23, 2008

Some people have misunderstood the LDS Church’s position on Proposition 8 in California, and its opposition to gay marriage. They think that we are “against homosexuals” — that we think of “them” as our enemies, and that individuals who have entered into “gay marriages” pose a direct personal threat to us.
So let’s set the record straight.

… So our concern in this legal struggle is not for the church, but for the health and well-being of society at large, of which we are only a part.

2. We do not believe that homosexuals, by entering into a “marriage,” are personally hurting anybody. Where the law makes such a thing available, even temporarily, those who “marry” are not our enemies. We believe the law is wrong and the marriage is not, in any meaningful way, what we mean by marriage.

…My family and I have close friends who are gay, some of whom have entered into lawful marriages. They know we don’t agree that their relationship is the same thing or should have the same legal status as our marriage, but we all accept that strong and clear difference of opinion and move on, continuing to respect and love each other for the values we share.

Only when a gay friend demanded that I agree with his or her point of view or cease to be friends has the friendship ended. What is odd is that in every case they called me intolerant. They misunderstood the meaning of “tolerance.”

Tolerance implies disagreement — it means that even though we don’t agree with or approve of each others beliefs or actions, we can still live together amicably. When we agree, we aren’t being tolerant, we’re being uniform.

It’s uniformity or submission these former friends wanted, not tolerance at all.

4. Only those who try to use the force of law to promote homosexual behavior and homosexual marriage to our children, and who would forbid us to publicly teach and express our belief that marriage is only meaningful between heterosexual couples, move into the category of enemies of freedom. And that will be because of their attempt to suppress religious freedom, freedom of speech and press, and the right of parents to control their children’s moral education.
We do not think that any belief system, whether it calls itself a religion or not, should be imposed on other people by law — we won’t impose ours on them, and we won’t let them impose theirs on us or our families.

There is no place for any Latter-day Saint to be unkind to, or speak slightingly of, those who disagree with us. Just because someone else is engaging in conduct that we believe is wrong does not give us the right to hate them or mistreat them. We preach the gospel of Christ to any who are willing to listen, but we will force our beliefs on no one.

We would never try to force our beliefs on an unwilling majority, and we hope that our opponents on this issue will have the same respect for democracy and the Constitution.

In fact, I believe that even those who absolutely believe in gay marriage should join us in opposing any law that is forced on an unwilling majority by the dictates of judges. For those that are wise will recognize that once judges are given such power, that power has as much chance of being used against them as for them.

What are the reasons that we, as citizens, oppose gay marriage?

Legalizing gay marriage has huge legal implications far beyond letting same-sex couples enter into marriage contracts. Once “marriage” has been so radically redefined, it will become unlawful and discriminatory for schools or any other public facility to favor, for instance, heterosexual dating or dancing.

Since our culture (like all human cultures throughout all of history) is oriented toward promoting the maximum opportunity for reproductive success for all members of the community, but channeled in a way that will best promote the survival of the community, such a radical change should not be entered into lightly.

Yet serious examination of scientific, historical, and legal issues has been all but drowned out by name-calling and demands for “rights.”

Why do we oppose legalizing gay marriage?

…Growing up with opposite-sex parents, but in a society that has normalized and actively promotes one-sex marriages, will certainly affect the children of opposite-sex parents, potentially tipping the balance for children whose sexual identity is still formable.

No serious attempt has been made to consider anything more than a general feeling that “tolerance is good” and “discrimination is bad.” Yet we are proceeding headlong into a vast social experiment whose consequences, as far as we can see, risk serious damage to many in order to create only the most marginal benefit for a few.”


This actually cleared up a few things for me, and said what I was trying to say on my last post on this topic.  I know this subject can get heated, and is highly controversial, please let this be a place to share your voice respectful of everyone’s differing opinions.

September 22, 2008

Gay Marriage.

Okay most of this can be found in my last comment on my last post, but there are some things I want to reiterate.  First of all, I believe there is a Prophet of God living on the Earth today.  I believe he receives direct revelation from our Father in Heaven.  I have prayed about what I am about to post and have pondered it in my own heart and mind and found these things to be true:

The Family: A Proclamation to the World

The First Presidency and Council of the Twelve Apostles of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints

We, the First Presidency and the Council of the Twelve Apostles of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, solemnly proclaim that marriage between a man and a woman is ordained of God and that the family is central to the Creator’s plan for the eternal destiny of His children.

All human beings—male and female—are created in the image of God. Each is a beloved spirit son or daughter of heavenly parents, and, as such, each has a divine nature and destiny. Gender is an essential characteristic of individual premortal, mortal, and eternal identity and purpose.

In the premortal realm, spirit sons and daughters knew and worshiped God as their Eternal Father and accepted His plan by which His children could obtain a physical body and gain earthly experience to progress toward perfection and ultimately realize his or her divine destiny as an heir of eternal life. The divine plan of happiness enables family relationships to be perpetuated beyond the grave. Sacred ordinances and covenants available in holy temples make it possible for individuals to return to the presence of God and for families to be united eternally.

The first commandment that God gave to Adam and Eve pertained to their potential for parenthood as husband and wife. We declare that God’s commandment for His children to multiply and replenish the earth remains in force. We further declare that God has commanded that the sacred powers of procreation are to be employed only between man and woman, lawfully wedded as husband and wife.

We declare the means by which mortal life is created to be divinely appointed. We affirm the sanctity of life and of its importance in God’s eternal plan.

Husband and wife have a solemn responsibility to love and care for each other and for their children. “Children are an heritage of the Lord” (Psalms 127:3). Parents have a sacred duty to rear their children in love and righteousness, to provide for their physical and spiritual needs, to teach them to love and serve one another, to observe the commandments of God and to be law-abiding citizens wherever they live. Husbands and wives—mothers and fathers—will be held accountable before God for the discharge of these obligations.

The family is ordained of God. Marriage between man and woman is essential to His eternal plan. Children are entitled to birth within the bonds of matrimony, and to be reared by a father and a mother who honor marital vows with complete fidelity. Happiness in family life is most likely to be achieved when founded upon the teachings of the Lord Jesus Christ. Successful marriages and families are established and maintained on principles of faith, prayer, repentance, forgiveness, respect, love, compassion, work, and wholesome recreational activities.[Not sure if it has any meaning, but I find it very interesting that love is not the first principle by which marriages are successful.]  By divine design, fathers are to preside over their families in love and righteousness and are responsible to provide the necessities of life and protection for their families. Mothers are primarily responsible for the nurture of their children. In these sacred responsibilities, fathers and mothers are obligated to help one another as equal partners. Disability, death, or other circumstances may necessitate individual adaptation. Extended families should lend support when needed.

We warn that individuals who violate covenants of chastity, who abuse spouse or offspring, or who fail to fulfill family responsibilities will one day stand accountable before God. Further, we warn that the disintegration of the family will bring upon individuals, communities, and nations the calamities foretold by ancient and modern prophets.

We call upon responsible citizens and officers of government everywhere to promote those measures designed to maintain and strengthen the family as the fundamental unit of society.


     So of course this is an ideal situation.  This is what we are striving for.  This is what I want for me and my posterity.  In every situation it does not work like this.  There are tragedies in this world.  For reasons we may not understand God lets things happen to some families where they are in situations with only one parent in the home.  These things may or may not be part of His plan.  God has given us our free agency and let us choose our actions.  Hopefully we use our agency wisely, but God cannot control the actions of anyone.  We may not understand why at first, but hopefully, usually down the road we may come to understand why certain things happened.  However, choosing to divorce because you have fallen out of love, or living together and bringing children into the world before marriage contradict this plan.  My feelings on homosexuality is very controversial today.  Years ago I would have been in the majority.  But I honestly believe we are all given challenges in this life.  If someone’s challenge is same-gender attraction I believe it is something they need to control and overcome.  I know that may sound appalling to some of you, but what about people who are born with a natural attraction to children?  We would never condone the behavior of letting someone give in to these temptations and molest little children.  I am not putting child molesters in the same category as gay people, but I think the principle is the same. 

And a quote from an outside source:

According to Jeffrey Satinover, M. D., a psychiatrist and member of the Department of Politics at Princeton University, there is no more important reason to prohibit same-sex marriage than the effects it would have on children. And he doesn’t say this for sentimental reasons. He says it because it’s sound science.

“In every area of life, cognitive, emotional, social, developmental … at every phase of the life cycle … social evidence shows that there are measurable effects when children lack either a mother or a father. … The evidence is overwhelming. Mountains of evidence, collected over decades, show that children need both mothers and fathers.”  (read the whole article here: )



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